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	<title>Comments on: The people who say Web 2.0 apps are garbage are completely right &#8212; and utterly wrong</title>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Christopher)</title>
		<link>http://mobileopportunity.mobiforumz.com/2007/02/23/the-people-who-say-web-20-apps-are-garbage-are-completely-right-and-utterly-wrong/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Christopher)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm really interested to see, where you are going with this in your follow-up posts.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think the points on your list of important web app developments are very general, so it's hard to really agree or disagree, but by combining web 2.0 and mobility, you've managed to intrigue me...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now, I really want to comment on the quote from Mr. Rowehl's blog.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, CEO of Nokia, recently &lt;A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ft-nokia11dec11,0,893277.story?coll=la-headlines-business" REL="nofollow"&gt;announced that Nokia is going to become an internet company&lt;/A&gt; (&lt;A HREF="http://3dpeople.blogspot.com/2007/01/well-i-never-it-looks-like-we-may-well.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;whatever that is&lt;/A&gt;). I think Nokia's web 2.0'ish partnerships (e.g. &lt;A HREF="http://flickr.com/nokia" REL="nofollow"&gt;flickr.com&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF="http://www.vox.com/go/nokia" REL="nofollow"&gt;six apart's Vox video blogging service&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF="http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/nokias-youtube-features-in-action/" REL="nofollow"&gt;YouTube&lt;/A&gt;) for the Nseries are indicative of Nokia's attempt to position itself so that the new communities can use Nokia handsets to capture and consume new media. Another - and more subtle - reason might be to expose (people in) the company to the "web 2.0 mindset" (for want of a better word).&lt;BR/&gt;These partnerships may not constitute driving web app innovation, but I definitely think they are part of a technology push that enable handset users to participate in these communities/media.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for operators that cripple handsets and/or restricts users to certain services, I think you should take your business elsewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really interested to see, where you are going with this in your follow-up posts.</p>
<p>I think the points on your list of important web app developments are very general, so it&#8217;s hard to really agree or disagree, but by combining web 2.0 and mobility, you&#8217;ve managed to intrigue me&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, I really want to comment on the quote from Mr. Rowehl&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, CEO of Nokia, recently <a HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ft-nokia11dec11,0,893277.story?coll=la-headlines-business" REL="nofollow">announced that Nokia is going to become an internet company</a> (<a HREF="http://3dpeople.blogspot.com/2007/01/well-i-never-it-looks-like-we-may-well.html" REL="nofollow">whatever that is</a>). I think Nokia&#8217;s web 2.0&#8242;ish partnerships (e.g. <a HREF="http://flickr.com/nokia" REL="nofollow">flickr.com</a>, <a HREF="http://www.vox.com/go/nokia" REL="nofollow">six apart&#8217;s Vox video blogging service</a>, <a HREF="http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/nokias-youtube-features-in-action/" REL="nofollow">YouTube</a>) for the Nseries are indicative of Nokia&#8217;s attempt to position itself so that the new communities can use Nokia handsets to capture and consume new media. Another - and more subtle - reason might be to expose (people in) the company to the &#8220;web 2.0 mindset&#8221; (for want of a better word).<br />These partnerships may not constitute driving web app innovation, but I definitely think they are part of a technology push that enable handset users to participate in these communities/media.</p>
<p>As for operators that cripple handsets and/or restricts users to certain services, I think you should take your business elsewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Avi Greengart)</title>
		<link>http://mobileopportunity.mobiforumz.com/2007/02/23/the-people-who-say-web-20-apps-are-garbage-are-completely-right-and-utterly-wrong/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Avi Greengart)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I was at 3GSM this year as well, and found that it continues to be the most self-important trade show (literally: the 3GSM World Congress posted a press release which stated that "82% of the respondents said the Congress is the most important event in the entire global telecommunications industry and 75% said the Congress is the most important event for mobile entertainment."). There was a lot of talk about Web 2.0, but for handset guys, it's really more Walled Garden 2.0 - we'll pick and choose what you can access from the big bad Internet, and if there's a revenue sharing opportunity, so much the better. Even this limited push is taken tentatively, because carriers ("operators" in Europe) are working on their own even more limited relationships and consider unfettered YouTube/flickr/etc. access a threat to their own streaming video/photo sharing/we're-really-not-sure-but-we-reserve-the-right-to-charge-you-for-it services.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;-avi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I was at 3GSM this year as well, and found that it continues to be the most self-important trade show (literally: the 3GSM World Congress posted a press release which stated that &#8220;82% of the respondents said the Congress is the most important event in the entire global telecommunications industry and 75% said the Congress is the most important event for mobile entertainment.&#8221;). There was a lot of talk about Web 2.0, but for handset guys, it&#8217;s really more Walled Garden 2.0 - we&#8217;ll pick and choose what you can access from the big bad Internet, and if there&#8217;s a revenue sharing opportunity, so much the better. Even this limited push is taken tentatively, because carriers (&#8221;operators&#8221; in Europe) are working on their own even more limited relationships and consider unfettered YouTube/flickr/etc. access a threat to their own streaming video/photo sharing/we&#8217;re-really-not-sure-but-we-reserve-the-right-to-charge-you-for-it services.</p>
<p>-avi</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Mike Rowehl)</title>
		<link>http://mobileopportunity.mobiforumz.com/2007/02/23/the-people-who-say-web-20-apps-are-garbage-are-completely-right-and-utterly-wrong/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Mike Rowehl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post Michael. There's definitely been some interesting conversation lately around bringing web 2.0 ideals to mobile.  We tried to spur the conversation on when we did the Mobile 2.0 event last year, but I believe we were a bit early for the really meaty conversations to happen.  It'll certainly be interesting if nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post Michael. There&#8217;s definitely been some interesting conversation lately around bringing web 2.0 ideals to mobile.  We tried to spur the conversation on when we did the Mobile 2.0 event last year, but I believe we were a bit early for the really meaty conversations to happen.  It&#8217;ll certainly be interesting if nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Brian)</title>
		<link>http://mobileopportunity.mobiforumz.com/2007/02/23/the-people-who-say-web-20-apps-are-garbage-are-completely-right-and-utterly-wrong/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Brian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing me to another one of your excellent articles on the subject, and I agree that your caching solution makes a lot of sense (especially for an in-flight mode secenario). &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The first company to successfully leverage your "Web 3.0" concept with services that offer features customers want the most while making them easy to use could enjoy quite a competitive advantage in an increasingly crowded and competitive market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing me to another one of your excellent articles on the subject, and I agree that your caching solution makes a lot of sense (especially for an in-flight mode secenario). </p>
<p>The first company to successfully leverage your &#8220;Web 3.0&#8243; concept with services that offer features customers want the most while making them easy to use could enjoy quite a competitive advantage in an increasingly crowded and competitive market.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Michael Mace)</title>
		<link>http://mobileopportunity.mobiforumz.com/2007/02/23/the-people-who-say-web-20-apps-are-garbage-are-completely-right-and-utterly-wrong/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Michael Mace)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comment, Brian.  Thanks.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'd love to see the desktop software implemented as a Web 2.0 app.  I think the mobile client would need a modified architecture, though.  Because wireless connections aren't 100% reliable, the mobile user needs an on-device copy of the app and data set (at least for their most important data).  Web 2.0 apps aren't set up to do that yet.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I wrote some more on the subject &lt;A HREF="http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2005/11/web-30.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment, Brian.  Thanks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see the desktop software implemented as a Web 2.0 app.  I think the mobile client would need a modified architecture, though.  Because wireless connections aren&#8217;t 100% reliable, the mobile user needs an on-device copy of the app and data set (at least for their most important data).  Web 2.0 apps aren&#8217;t set up to do that yet.</p>
<p>I wrote some more on the subject <a HREF="http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2005/11/web-30.html" REL="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Brian)</title>
		<link>http://mobileopportunity.mobiforumz.com/2007/02/23/the-people-who-say-web-20-apps-are-garbage-are-completely-right-and-utterly-wrong/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Brian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article Michael. There's a similar conversation going on at TreoCentral about a "Wishlist for desktop software". Instead of desktop software in the traditional sense (an application), do you think Web 2.0 &#038; AJAX "applications" (PIM, photo/blogging, etc) in a desktop web browser are a more likely and powerful solution? You could access your "Palm Desktop" and online Palm services from any computer with a web browser where your "Golden copies" would reside. This solution would also open up powerful online collaboration capabilities (calendaring, documents, etc) and be a much more elegant solution than trying to sync your Palm to multiple computers.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If you really want to take this one step further, you could connect your handheld to any Windows computer with a USB cable and carry your own U3-like "Palm Desktop" web browser with you wherever you go. This would also allow for other U3-like portable desktop apps as well as functionality similar to the LifeDrive Manager for transferring files.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;With this type of functionality, you would literally carry around your mobile computing environment with you in your mobile, and you could access it from any Windows computer simply by connecting your handheld and launching your "Palm portable desktop" (think of a customized portable Firefox). Non-Windows users would still have access to their "Palm Desktop" in a web browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article Michael. There&#8217;s a similar conversation going on at TreoCentral about a &#8220;Wishlist for desktop software&#8221;. Instead of desktop software in the traditional sense (an application), do you think Web 2.0 &#038; AJAX &#8220;applications&#8221; (PIM, photo/blogging, etc) in a desktop web browser are a more likely and powerful solution? You could access your &#8220;Palm Desktop&#8221; and online Palm services from any computer with a web browser where your &#8220;Golden copies&#8221; would reside. This solution would also open up powerful online collaboration capabilities (calendaring, documents, etc) and be a much more elegant solution than trying to sync your Palm to multiple computers.</p>
<p>If you really want to take this one step further, you could connect your handheld to any Windows computer with a USB cable and carry your own U3-like &#8220;Palm Desktop&#8221; web browser with you wherever you go. This would also allow for other U3-like portable desktop apps as well as functionality similar to the LifeDrive Manager for transferring files.</p>
<p>With this type of functionality, you would literally carry around your mobile computing environment with you in your mobile, and you could access it from any Windows computer simply by connecting your handheld and launching your &#8220;Palm portable desktop&#8221; (think of a customized portable Firefox). Non-Windows users would still have access to their &#8220;Palm Desktop&#8221; in a web browser.</p>
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